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  MSNBC    Martin Bashir    News/Business. Journalist Martin  
   Bashir uncovers breaking news stories. New.  

    March 20, 2013
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krystal, you are a hard person to make fun of because you are truly the nicest person i have ever met. i was talking in the office today, just be ironic and say all of these negative things about her that are clearly t not true and maybe people will get the irony. no, i think they just think that i'm -- >> a jerk. >> maybe it's a brilliant devious strategy to disarm your enemies or something because i'm sitting here wanting to take a shot of you and i can't. >> you took plenty of shots at me. that was easy. >> well, you know, sorry, toure. >> ironic? okay, chris. >> i really have, you know, enjoyed, you know, enjoyed working with all of you guyses for the last nine months. i think we've got a minute left here and i want to -- i don't mean to get too serious here but i've been thinking a little bit in the last few days because i'm going to be moving to this saturday show. i'm pretty excited about it. it's a pretty exciting sort of i guess career step. and i'm thinking back to about ten years ago when i got started, my first job was if new
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jersey. i was writing for maybe $22,000 a year for a website. i was doing this show on news 12 new jersey, 24-hour cable show in jersey. on the weekends. i got to know this guy as a political science professioner writer, on this right, co-hosted the show with me once or twice. he was somebody i called as a quote for pieces. i got to know him really well. he was so encouraging to me. he looked at me and said your future is in tv. you've got to make it work in tv. it was good to hear. i didn't know what it meant. it's not a direct straight line from here to here. the tv thing didn't start until recently. his encouragement stuck with me. unfortunately he passed away a few years ago. he died in the classroom doing what he loved. david is his name. i just had three years in new jersey. it was the funnest time in my life. i'm really excited about this new show. might be great. i hope it's great. might be the biggest disaster
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sin but we'll find out. there will be a lot of people i hope get to watch but i just wish david could have been one of them. i had a blast the last nine months. >> we're going to miss you. >> for the final time, martin bashir, take it away. >> i'm sorry. who are you? good afternoon, it's wednesday, march 20th. on this first day of spring, the president embraces america's greatest ally in a region marked by instability and conflict. ♪ >> president obama is on the ground in israel right now. >> i see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our nations. >> how are you? good to see you. >> paul ryan has got an important job to do which is to understand the numbers. >> there comes a point when americans are going to have to decide what country, what kind of country they want.
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>> i'm not going to lay down and play dead. >> we don't want a class system where we have citizens and the -- >> our economy needs these workers. >> did i sound like i was freaking out because i really didn't want to be. >> entitlement -- do you know why jesus was killed by the romans? it was about taxes. >> do you read the fox news version of the bible? ♪ >> we begin with the president in israel and historic trip marking the first time he's visited that country as president of the united states. touching down on the bright skies in tel aviv this morning the president was greet with a red carpet and all the ceremonial trappings of a state visit. joking with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that it was good to get away from congress the president reaffirmed what he called the unbreakable bond between the two
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nations. a sentiment that was roundly reciprocated. >> the people of islam welcome you with open heart. we deeply appreciate your friendship and we share your hope that the middle east will enjoy a future freedom, prosperity, and peace. >> i'm confident in declaring that our alliance is eternal. it is forever. >> and while relations between the president and prime minister have been described as tense, to say the least, on this trip the two appeared down right chummy. at this afternoon's joint presser the two of them even teamed up to take on the man now forever to be known as nbc's encouraincorrigible political d. >> another question i had for you is -- >> chuck, how many have you got? do you guys do this in the israeli press? you say you get one question?
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you see how the young lady from channel 1, she had one question? she was very well behaved, cluck? >> this is not a kosher question, but don't hog it. >> behind the smiles and light harted remarks a host of immensely complicated issues are facing both these leaders. after meeting for an intense one-on-one session this afternoon, both the president and mr. netanyahu emerged with words that echoed their respective commitment to israel's self-defense. >> mr. president, i want to thank you once again for always making clear that israel must be able to defend itself, by itself, against any threat. >> we will help to preserve israel's qualitative military edge so that israel can defend itself by itself against any threat. >> and if iran was the unspoken word in those remarks, it was the crisis in syria that brought a signal warning from the president to president assad's discredited regime.
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>> we have been clear that the use of chemical weapons against the syrian people would be a serious and tragic mistake. the assad regime must understand that they will be held accountable for the use of chemical weapons or their transfer to terrorists. >> and the president said his administration is fully investigating those claims of chemical weapons used in syria. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engle join us. the first question out of the gate was a robust one, asking the president about the slaughter of innocence in syria and the alleged use of chemical weapons there. the president said pointedly that use of chemical weapons would be a game changer and that assad and his regime would be held accountable. but this is an incredibly tough case for the president, isn't it? >> reporter: i don't think the president wants to get involved in syria. i think the bar is very high. i think the president worries
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that if he starts getting involved in syria and becomes known as protector of the syrian rebels, that once the regime collapses and there is even more chaos on the ground that eventually u.s. troops will be draun into a peacekeeping role that eventually there will be a need for u.s. troops on the ground because other countries that are forward leaning on the iss issue, france comes to mind, don't really have the military budgets, don't have the political will, were barely able to get 2,000 forces into mali, let alone have the appetite for a long stability mission in syria. so i think that's where the president is coming from. and -- but he's trying also to make it clear that if bashar el assad's regime, not necessarily bashar el assad because he's increasingly irrelevant here. but if his regime use or
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transfers chemical weapons that there will be an escalation. he didn't say necessarily a military response. >> right. now, to another key issue, richard, the president called it a hard slog toward mideast peace and a two-state solution. he vowed to say more on the subject tomorrow. but how far are we from even restarting israeli/palestinian peace talks much less reaching a deal and can you describe for us how frustrating it is for the people in that region? >> that's a big question. the first one, we're very far from a two-state israeli/palestinian solution. the israelis and palestinians are barely talking. they are not -- the populations aren't interacting anymore. there is a massive wall between the two of them in the west bank, the palestinians and the israelis in israel proper. people of gaza effectively are pinned in and can't interact
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with either population. so there doesn't seem to be much momentum at all to create an israeli/palestinian solution just here in what used to be called the holy land. if you take a step back, the region is absolutely boiling and you have many groups in egypt that never wanted peace with israel, believe that the egyptian peace deal with israel should be destroyed. many groups like that are empowered and it's not just the muslim brotherhood. there are plenty of people in egypt who share those sentiments. in syria right now they are fighting but neither the rebels nor the regime is a friend of israel's and there is a concern that once they sort that out, that there will be hostility focused in this direction and israel is walling itself off. israel does not want to deal with the palestinian issue. it's put a wall up along the west bank, as i mentioned. it is afraid of egypt.
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it's building a wall along the egyptian border. egypt is building a wall up along the syrian border. we're going to talk more about that on "nightly news." >> richard, thanks so much for joining us. i want, if i may, to bring in our panel now. with us from washington, journalist and author robin wright and joining us as well from allentown, pennsylvania, professor james peterson of lehigh university. robin, prime minister netanyahu confronted one issue on his doorstep, the palestinians. but though iran may be further away, it is the issue of iran and the likelihood of a nuclear weapon that seems to be upper most in his mind. were you yourself struck by the fact that at that press conference p.m. netanyahu began addressing iran even before moving on to discuss his desire for peace with the palestinians? >> absoluteabsolutely. this has been the core of
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discussion between israeli and the united states for several years now. increasingly because of concern of what iran might be doing, whether it's using a peaceful nuclear energy program and possibly in the background developing a nuclear weapon. there are a lot of things we don't know but the fact is both countries share an assessment that it could be moving toward a capability. one of the things that was really striking in this press conference was the fact that prime minister netanyahu actually agreed with the time frame that president obama had mentioned over the past week. and that's a year or so. the israelis had been suggesting earlier that the time frame may be moving at a faster pace. and that indicates that there is at least a year for stronger diplomatic efforts or international movement to press the iranians to compromise, to prove that they, as they claim, that they're not developing a weapon or, you know, to find terms that will allow the international community to step back and the israelis not to be
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concerned about annes so essential threat. >> president netanyahu thanked to president for unequivocally affirming israel's sovereign right to defend itself against any threat. does this not portend to some kind of military action given that mr. netanyahu said at the united nations, as you know, that he expected iran to have the capacity for a nuclear weapon by perhaps summer this year at the press conference, he said within a year, does this not suggest that there's likely to be some kind of military action? >> well, it's unclear as on the whether or not israel has taken other kinds of actions to try to hedge against iran's development of nuclear weapons even previous to this particular moment. robert and richard are both right here, in the sense that it's easier for the president and for netanyahu to be on the same page with respect to iran. when you start talking about palestine and the two-state solution, all of the complexities and all the sort of investment that the u.s. has had
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in trying to resolve those issues between palestinians and israelis within israel, that's a much more complicated sort of hornet's nest than anything dealing with how we perceive iran and iran sort of run-up to nuclear weapons. so that's why he led there. and it's clear that although iran is a complicated situation for this president, as well, it's just not as complicated as the sort of internal israeli situation right now. >> robin, you've written extensively about the uprising across the arab world. there's been a real fear that assad might well use chemical weapons against his own people. robin, if this is proved to be the case, what actions do you expect the president to take in relation to syria? >> well, first of all, this is the moment of the fog of war. and there have been claims by both sides, both rebels and the regime in damascus, that the other side has used chemical weapons. the british are sending in chemical weapons detection kits to try and help the rebels determine what has been used,
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how much has been used to verify the claims. once we get to that point then i think that obama may try to reach out to the international community to figure out what is it that we can do together to try to press the assad regime, whether it's diplomatically, politically, or economic sanctions through the united nations and what is it they need to think about doing, whether it's assistance to the rebels of some kind, whether it is training outside the country, nonlethal weapons, lethal weapons, even the idea of a no-fly zone. i share richard engel's ke skepticism because of what colon powell called the pottery barn rule, once you get involved in breaking the system or breaking the status quo, then you're responsible for fixing it. >> for fixing it. >> and that's on the -- given the fact that we're just ending the war in iraq and about to pull out of afghanistan, there's very little interest in the united states, whether it's republicans or democrats, for getting involved in a third
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middle east conflict where it could involve a long-term and very costly presence. so i think the administration will move very carefully on this one. but it is, indeed, a game changer if, in fact, chemical weapons have been used. >> robin wright and professioner jaims peterson. thank you both for joining us today. next, 20 dead first graders, not enough to move an assault weapons ban through the senate. crazy. stay with us. they can call me crazy. they call us crazy. they call us crazy. they call me crazy. they call us crazy? they say we're crazy? ♪ [ coughs ] [ angry gibberish ] i took something for my sinuses, but i still have this cough. [ male announcer ] a lot of sinus products don't treat cough. they don't? [ male announcer ] nope, but alka seltzer plus severe sinus does it treats your worst sinus symptoms, plus that annoying cough. [ breathes deeply ] ♪ oh, what a relief it is
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today the governor of colorado has managed to do what our elected representatives in the house and senate seem incapable of accomplishing. he's introduced legislation to address the epidemic of gun violence. governor, avid gun owner himself, today signed into new laws limiting ammunition clips to 15 rounds and requiring gun owners to pay for universal background checks. tragically he had to wait to sign the bill until after a press con frenz after the head of the department of corrections was shot and killed on his door shep. still shaken, the governor spoke about the need to limit high capacity magazines. >> it's that simple, these high-capacity magazines have potential to turn killers into killing machines. in certain circumstances, someone bent on destruction, even if they're slow just for a
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number of seconds, if that allows others to escape. >> julian epstein is a former counsel to the house judiciary committee and david is a nationally syndicated columnist and best-selling author who also lives in colorado. david, a mother whose daughter was killed in the aurora movie theater said the governor had, and i'm quoting her, given us a real gift with this legislation. don't the parents of those infants hurd murdered at sandy hook deserve the same gift? don't those seik families deserve the same gift? >> i think so. i think you're right. i think that, look, it's the republicans who have said, the republican opponents of these senate bills in colorado who said if they can do it in colorado, if we can pass sensible gun regulations in colorado, it can be passed nationally. these are the first serious gun regulations put in place in the iraqi mountain west, in the
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intermountain west region which is a place traditionally hostile to gun control measures. i think it's absolutely true. i think the republicans opposing this bill were right to say -- they were warning the conservatives in saying this but i think they were right. if it can be done here in colorado, it can be done anywhere else in america and certainly should be able to be done in the united states congress. >> julian, it brought this reaction to the "new york daily news." headline reading, shame on us, surrounded by the faces of children murdered in newtown. the president, as you know, feared that the immediate outrage following newtown would fade. when you see what colorado is doing, could their approach be the future of real gun control in this country? >> yeah, and i think the defeatest reaction to harry reid's move yesterday on saying that the assault weapons would be an amendment rather than part of the base package is wrong for a couple of reasons. one is we will get a skroet on
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assault weapons as an amendment. secondly, it's important to keep in mind the long view here. we're at the beginning of a process, not the end of the process. we are seeing, as david pointed out, not just in colorado but elsewhere, change in public opinion here. public opinion has clearly shifted on the side of sensible gun regulations along the lines we've been talking about, feinstein's proposal and others. what david is pointing out, what you are seeing is similar to the anti-tobacco debate and apartheid debate where congress and washington were the lagging indicators of public opinion so you saw a lot of action happening in the states. colorado is not just the only place, a number of there states are thinking object taking action. it's a much, much better indicator of how quickly public opinion is shifting on something. i think you will see movement in the states and eventually you will see movement at the federal level as well. >> i hope that's the case. david, one-third of homes in colorado have a gun. including of course, the governor's. but the shootings in aurora
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profoundly effected him. especially after attending so many funerals. i have to ask you, is that what it takes to get changes to the legislation passed? i mean, should we send every member of the house of representatives to the next series of funerals when there's a mass shooting so that they can actually feel the profound impact of these weapons on the life of ordinary citizens of this country? >> well, i sure hope it doesn't take that but i think that clearly the shootings here in colorado have had an effect, an understandable frankly predictable effect. to julian's point, every major poll in this state has shown that since that has happened there's been an upsurge of public support for sensible gun laws. you would really hope, and really pray, frankly, that politicians don't have to see dead children, don't have to actually physically be there to see dead children in order to make this conversation about gun
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regulations more pragmatic. the problem really is though that the conversation isn't in many parts of the country a rational conversation. >> right. >> you're hearing -- here in colorado we passed sensible basic gun laws about magazines, about background checks and it's being called an assault on the second amendment which it is not. if we can't have a conversation about what's actually being proposed it's going to prevent us from doing the sensible things that need to be done. >> final question to you. we have 1% of the people in this nation who say background checks are absolutely the right thing and yet now there's even talk that background checks may not get through the house. >> i think they will. and, look, i think you have to keep in mind as i said, we're beginning of the process, not the end of the process. congress is a lagging indicator in many senses because the house has gerrymander districts. the senate is made up mostly of old white men. in the next election cycle we need to see 10 to 20, maybe 30 house opponents of these gun
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regulations be taken out. and that is going to require a massive effort on behalf of those like us, the progressive movement and others, and independents who want to see some change. secondly, there's got to be changes in washington. democratic leaders need to be held accountable in the sense that they need to start twisting arms to make this happen. this is showcasing now the absurdity of the fill buszer rule. i think democrats and the democratic leadership, the congressional campaign committees are going to have to start putting resources into campaigns that will go after those who are opposing the kind of reforms here that we need. >> jillian -- this is the beginning of the process, no t the end of the process. >> absolutely. jillian epstein and david sirota, thank you, gentlemen. coming up, billow roars again. stay with us. another question i had for you is -- chuck, how many have you got? do you guys do this in the israeli press? you say you get one question and then you add like five?
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from the autopsy and iran's texmex to more hot gas. today's lines, rhymes. >> i think the party has divorced itself. >> i like syracuse mainly because biden told me if i didn't pick him he wouldn't talk to me. >> talking hoops on espn. >> these rebranding efforts never work. they're being suckered into participating in their own official demise. >> senator paul's speech, it's a
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very good development. >> our economy needs these workers. >> what are we talking about when we talk about wanting two different americans in our borders. >> will the federal government begin stealing our money? >> i wouldn't freak outn't the cpc budget coming through. >> did i sound like i was freenging out? >> i'm worried about the millions of people watching this suddenly think there's going to be tax seizures. >> paul ryan has an important job to do. >> i told the congresswoman i wanted to talk to her about her speech at cpac. >> you talked about engaged in, the fact that he has a dog walker, which is now true. >> did the producers of "the bible" hire a man that looks like president obama? >> i said, whoa. >> exactly. >> calling him the devil. >> put it on your screen. >> we're losing this emotional cultural vote. >> your predecessor michael
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steel said this this morning on "morning joe" -- that's from the editors of the "national review," mr. chairman. >> well, dls other good ones. >> it was off the internet. i think hot gas. >> the fact is, we have to get with it. >> let's get right to our panel. with us from washington msnbc karen finney and msnbc from "the washington post." karen, one has to feel a certain amount of sympathy for paul. he tries to speak some truth to the gop. >> yeah. >> to give them a wake-up call. the country sees them aznar row minded stuffy old men. the establishment seems to be suffering from avoidant personality disorder. they close their eyes and don't want to hear it. >> that's right. that's a lot of what we saw last year during the election. i mean, what struck me was that all of the information that ryan was put forward about how people
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felt about the party were the exact same things we were hearing from voters all stlut last year. and all throughout last year they chose to ignore it. and now somehow because it comes in the form of a binder that i guess says rnc on it, all of a sudden people are supposed to believe it. the other problem on the other side that the party has, you have such a split with the tea partiers and the cpac sort of wing of the republican party, they also don't trust the so-called establishment. so, again, what we're seeing is more fractures, not unity and not a plan to move forward. >> okay. john, mr. priebus had his birthday this week, 41 years young. my colleague asked him this morning if he thought the gop would evolve to a platform of marriage equality by the time he's 50, in nine years. a fair question. take a listen to the response. >> well, i don't know what's going to happen in nine years, luke. i know what our principles are and i know our party believes that marriage is between one man
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and one woman. but i also know that we have a party that's going to be inclusive. >> right, john, so he says they're opposed to including same-sex marriage in their platform but they are going to be inclusive. how does that actually work in practice? >> i'm not sure because he's not defining inclusive. he answered the question but not answering the question. look, he's right when he says that the republican -- that the republican party just isn't there on marriage equality. they believe that. marriage is between one man and one woman. "the washington post"/abc news poll this week bears that out. the problem is younger voters, whether they're democrats or republicans, favor marriage equality. that's the problem that the republican party has on immigration, on equality issues, on rights for the lgbt americans. the country's moving forward and ryan priebus at 41 years old is at the helm of a party that
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desperately wants to hang to an america from 1950. if that america actually existed. >> well, that's a good question. karen, as rights is trying to refresh republican's reputation, there is one man who appears to be doing this rather effectively, his name is mark sanford. he appears to be doing a very good job at rehabilitatesing his own political career. everyone's favorite appalachian trail hiker won tuesday's republican primary for tim scott's vacant congressional seat, as you know. he will have to face a runoff. however, because he failed to clear the 50% vote. but this is rather remarkable. i have to say, i may be wrong here, karen, but i can't imagine a woman who done what he did being granted the same level of forgiveness. can you? >> no, absolutely not. i'm so glad you said that, martin. the other thing i love about this is he had the audacity to ask his ex-wife jenny sanford if she would manage his campaign. what is going on? >> the unmitigated gal to do so.
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>> martin, the key problem that he's going to have, and i don't say this because he will be up likely against a woman candidate, i think the women in his district is going to have a hard time voting for him. it's great that he's apologized and asked for forgiveness but and people give you a pass on that but this is a guy who supported privatizing social security. at a time when that's a key issue we're talking a. on the issues he's going to have trouble and i do think for some voters, likely women voters, some men voters, they are going to have a hard timz caes castin ballot in favor of someone they saw in a press conference talk about a spouse's love for his mistress. >> you may be right, karen, but, john, i have to give it to him. he is a man with a way of words. i'd like to give you a brie
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recitation from a letter not to his wife. quote, i could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificently gentle kisses, or that i love your tan lines or that i love the curves of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself or two magnificent parts of yourself in the faded glow of night's light. maybe priebus could learn something from this. what do you think, john? >> look, if he doesn't win this election, he should go into romance novel writing. that's -- that's pretty incredible. but you know, look, he ran in a crowded field. how many people were -- >> 16. >> 16 people. and he -- well, he came in first. i mean, he's got to do the runoff in april and he's going to have to go for the big enchilada in may.
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so we'll see whether karen is right and whether this, you know, largely republican district, which mark sanford used to have this seat. >> yes. >> when he was in the house. whether they will be willing to send this hiking adulterer back to congress. >> i can't wait to hear what he says in writing. thank you, both. >> thanks, martin. next, it's personal this time. at least for bill o'reilly, that is. stay with us. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership.
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madness. >> will the federal government begin stealing our money? enter the congressional progressive caucus right here in the usa. the far left kuks do want to cut one thing, defense spending. they believe that's what the far left wants, a collapse of the entire capitalistic system. >> joining us now is one of the authors of that legislation, congressman keith ellison who coaches the congressional cau s caucus. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> bill o'reilly has labeled several charges at you, sir, and your caucus so i must ask you now, have you once or ever been a cook or do you support the appeal of american capitalism? are you a lunatic? >> i have not now nor have i ever been any of those things. >> thank you very much, sir, for answering that. i think we are fully satisfied with that response. to be fair, your budget faced
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resistance from those in your own party. >> trats that's true. >> on the other hand, i would suggest that's a budget switch from like paul ryan's for three years has failed but for three years is approved by virtually every single republican in the house. but are you discouraged at all at today's result? >> no, we're quite encouraged because we're gone up. we've actually picked up votes from over last year. but let me tell you though, martin, gallup recently issued a survey and found out that about 72% of all meamericans want mor infrastructure spending and majority of americans do as well. the real question is how do we get congress to vote in a way that reflects the will of the american people. the fact is that republicans have done a great job at making the debate all around austerity and budget cutting and debt and deficit and then last weekend speaker boehner admits that we don't have an immediate debt
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problem. wit well, we're still sort of as a collective body stuck on this idea that, you know, it's all about cuts and how many and how much when the real issue should be jobs. these budgets should be evaluated based on how many people they put to work, how many problems they solve for the american people. five years ago in my district the bridge fell into the mississippi river. our bill would fix the problems like that and make those things a thing of the past and they put a lot of people back to work, too. >> absolutely. mr. o'reilly and other republicans, they're upset because you and your caucus have offered alternatives to paul ryan's massive spending cuts. and as i say, job creation is the first item on the executive summary of your report. the first item under that is infrastructure. now, the american society of civil engineers -- and this is, you know, an engineering organization, not a political one. >> left wing cooks? >> we need $1.6 trillion
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spending in 11 years but we have a shortfall by almost half that. are they kooks? >> rather than add to the debate, i'll just say that the american people are right to support our budget items on infrastructure spending and the american society of civil engineers certainly know what they're talking about. at the end of the day we've got to ask a question, you accurately does congress reflect the will of the american people when a majority of republicans say they want more infrastructure spending. i think this is kind of a no-brainer. and i'll tell you this. we're going to keep on pressing. we know that the american people are on our side. we're on their side. we're not going to back down. the republicans have a head start on us. they've been talking about debt, deficit, austerity, cuts, and then they say that you're just outrageous or a kook if you don't buy their line.
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one of the reasons they've shot so much our way is because we are not afraid, we believe that we're going to stand up and stand for what we believe? >> well, let's really focus on kookism now because your budget includes more money for food assistance program. >> right. >> when michele bachmann shoek at cpac on saturday she made a gross falsehood, a claim about money for poverty programs winding up in the hands of bureaucrats. let me read how "the washington post" concludes its four pinocchio ruling on that claim. so bachmann yet again earns four pinocchios but there really aren't enough pinocchios so such misleading use of statistics in a major speech. sir, if there is one kook in that house, she surely must qualify. >> well, you know, she is standing up for her ideological position, which is --
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>> congressman, she's telling lies. that's not an ideological position, that's an outright lie. >> true, martin, but it does sort of advance what argument she wants to make, which is that, you know, poor people have too much and rich people don't have enough, which is why she's always trying to cut programs that serve the poor and cut taxes for the rich. it may not be true, but it also serves her position and her vision of america. and so that's kind of why she keeps on getting invited back to stuff like cpac, because, you know, they have a certain view of the world which is that if you're low income, you're undeserving. >> of course. >> and if you're rich, you're somehow virtuous and that's kind of how they roll. >> democratic congressman keith ellison, i know you ran to our camera today. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, sir. next, an american hero remembered. stay with us. [ coughs ] [ angry gibberish ]
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we don't often preview movies on this broadcast but when the subject is a medal of honor recipient who gave his life in afghanistan as he trooid to save his comrades, it's dime for us to make an exception. "murpm the protector" opens this coming weekend and it's the story of lieutenant michael murphy who in 2005 exposed himself to enemy in afghanistan to save others after an ambush. we are delighted to welcome lieutenant murphy's father dan murphy and the director of the film, scott mctavish. >> thanks for having us. >> great pleasure to have you, dan. just tell us, if you can, what happened on that day, on june 28th, 2005. >> michael's team, four of them were inserted that evening, the night before. >> he was a navy s.e.a.l.
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>> he was a navy s.e.a.l. he was leading the team with three others of his team. there were i think eight of them over in afghanistan. he and three others went. they were after a particularly troublesome individual who had a group called the mountain tigers. that was their target. >> this was an individual who was known to be a terrorist. >> yes, yes. he was a top lieutenant of osama bin laden. and of course, there were rumors that osama may have been in the area. they had been watch that quite a while, that whole area. it's right along the afghan/pakistan border. so michael's team was inserted the night before. they moved into a location and was overlooking a village to see whether or not this top lieutenant was there. what happened is they were compromised. what they call a soft compromise. that being civilians walked into marcus latrell's vision. the civilians, one was a boy, i think, 14. they let him go.
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and approximately an hour and a half, two hours later, 40 to 50 fighters descended on michael's position they had previously moved. michael's medal of honor was received because during battle communications were poor. they were up against a mountain. so michael had to step out to what marcus was described, the lone survivor, an avenue lanlg of bullets in order to make a call. michael, during that call was shot twice but had the presence of mind at the end of the call, which was typical michael, to c say thank you to the dispatcher. >> incredible bravery. scott, i'm assume that story just in and of itself is what attracted you to making some kind of reconstructive film. >> it did. it resonated. i was familiar with the story several years ago. and when we approached the murphys and said we have this idea. we first thought it might be a
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feature film. but then as we unpacked it we realized that the non-fiction narrative was so incredible that we didn't need actors or a script to dramatize it. and we were right. it's an amazing story. >> this week we've been marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of iraq. and, as you and i know, almost 5,000 lives have been given. your son gave his life in afghanistan. what is your feeling as a parent about the validity of these wars that american has embarked upon. >> i think with afghanistan it was different. afghanistan attacked the united states. michael's idea when he went to afghanistan was that he was going after those that planned, plotted, and executed 9/11. and that's why he and his team carried on their shoulder a patch of the no, norksz fire department, engine company 53, ladder company 43 up in spanish
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harlem. he wore that patch. interestingly enough, his team, when they finally recovered michael, removed that patch, had it cleaned, and presented it in a plaque to the fire department. it's up there on their wall of honor. the patch that michael wore, where the plaque that says, he wore this patch on every mission including the one in which he fell. >> in the movie, his friends say they all expected him to go to law school, i believe. >> yeah, i was a lawyer. am i lawyer. >> you are a lawyer. >> yeah. >> why did he decide against the action -- the decision to go to law school and choose instead what is the most dangerous public service that any of us can render to a nation? >> i think scott brings it out in the movie or the documentary. it was interesting. michael, all his life, known pr. he always thought there was a
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finite line, this is right, this is wrong. whether it was sticking up and getting involved in the fight with three bullies who was triing to push a special needs kid into a locker or coming to the rescue of a homeless man who was being harassed by a bunch of kids to the big picture what was, i'm going to join the i'll tear, become a navy s.e.a.l. to protect my family and my country. and so i think comes throughout his whole life. he was a lifeguard, he was a tutor. he was always putting himself out there to help others. >> remarkable. the film opens this friday? >> opens this friday, regal cinemas across the country. information is at mur murphmovies.com. >> we will be right back. we understand. our financial advice is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. life brings obstacles. usaa brings retirement advice.
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